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Episode #24 Transcript: Justin Brokop Discusses How to Find Your Passion - How To Quit Working
Episode #24 Transcript: Justin Brokop Discusses How to Find Your Passion

Episode #24 Transcript: Justin Brokop Discusses How to Find Your Passion




Jeff:   Hello, and welcome to the How To Quit Working show. You know, it’s interesting because as the show gets a larger and larger audience, which it has grown and grown and grown steadily, it has been so awesome to watch it grow, I am feeling the need to really step it up.

I am really feeling more and more pressure to have better guests, more guests that have more to offer. And really what that means for the show is guests who have poured more of themselves in the lifestyle. Just like everything else, you get out of it exactly what you put in to it, and the lifestyle that you get is directly proportional to how much you invest in that lifestyle.

And my guest today, Justin Brokop is somebody who has invested everything in lifestyle and having a life that lets him do something that he loves doing every single second.  Justin has got a lot of great stuff to share with you, and I am glad to have him on the show. Justin, welcome to the show.

Justin:  Thank you very much Jeff, it’s a pleasure to be on.

Jeff:  Well, I’m glad to have you on because you’re a pretty interesting guy. I talked to a lot of guests on the show and they did maybe long stints and corporate or something else that they didn’t like doing for a long time and then they finally made a switch, but I think that you’ve had a different path.

And I want to talk to more people like you who have kind of from the get go said,  “This whole corporate, get a job, go to college, be miserable until I retire thing just isn’t going to work for me.”

So, can you start by telling us a little bit about, at some point, when you were a little kid, you were trying to figure out what to do with your life. Tell us a little bit about what you were thinking back then.

Justin:  Well, when I was 7, Jeff, I wanted to be scientist or an astronaut. That was my first career plan. Didn’t really go as planned, but I really think – before I actually answer your question, I think that there were three major points in my life that really shaped who I am as a person and what my values are.

And the first event happened to me when I was in grade 5, I think. I think it was right after grade 5, I was involved in a major ski accident. I crashed into someone else. I was in the hospital for a few days and they actually have to call my parents and say we don’t know his condition, get here as soon as you can, and it was a very traumatic event for my family and for myself. I just remember waking up like a few days later and having no recollection of an accident at all. So everyday after that, I really looked at my life and I said you know what? I am happy to be alive. Just having that gratitude really shaped me.

Jeff:  But you were 7.

Justin:  No, this was in grade 5, so probably 10 or 11 years old.

Jeff:  Oh, okay. Well, it’s still really young to be thinking about that and being grateful and appreciating life.

Justin:  Yeah, I actually have journal entries from back then that I wrote. I had this gel pen journal that actually says, “I am so grateful I didn’t die”

Jeff:  Wow, that’s awesome.

Justin:  So, that was really event #1. So I went through school, I did junior high. In grade 9, I think grade 8, grade 9, I read The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. And I also read the 8 habit. Now after The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, I thought, wow, this is such a great book. Everyone needs to hear about it because chapter 1 is Be Proactive. You choose your life. You choose your circumstances. It’s all about what you make of it.

So after that, I went home, I thought this was great, put it on my shelf, kind of forgot about it. But I was sitting on my grade 9 class one day and our teacher, who also happen to be the vice principal of the school, was teaching some stuff on health and something really boring, so I put up my hand and I said, “Excuse me. I don’t really like what you’re teaching, I think it’s a waste of my time.” I was a little bit precautious then, too.

So anyway, I think that class continued but after class, he pulled me aside and he said, “What’s up? I’m curious, do you have a problem with my class?”, and I said yes. And then he said, “Well, what do you think I should be teaching? So I pulled out my copy of the 7 Habits and I said, “This is a really great book. Have you read it?” And he said, “Yeah, a long time ago.” And I said, “I think this would be really valuable for my class.” So he said, “Sure. Do you want to teach it?” And I looked at him, and I blinked, and I said, “Okay.”

So the next class, I was teaching The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People to a grade 9 class when I was still in grade 9. And I really enjoyed it. It was really difficult. Teaching is not as easy as you think. But that was the first time I actually began sharing that information, and I found the love in doing that. And I think from there, it really went forward.

Jeff:  That’s awesome. Now in retrospect, when you look back many years later at that incident, do you still maintain that what he was teaching was wasting your time?

Justin:  I don’t think that learning about health and that is a waste of time, I think that there’s room to teach or more, I just think that the grade school assistant teach us some very important things, but it neglects other just as important things like personal development.

Jeff:  Yeah. So anyway, back to your story. So you were teaching the 7 habits to a bunch of – in the US, I guess 9th grade would be freshmen in high school. Is it the same in Canada?

Justin:  No. That would be junior high. It’s the year before high school.

Jeff:  Oh, okay. All right. So anyway, either way, these were some kind of young kids. I doubt they were really, really receptive to this, right? I mean, aren’t they a little bit skeptical in thinking, who is this guy? He’s just one of us teaching from this book written by some old guy.

Justin:  Pretty much.

Jeff:  Okay. So, you met with some resistance there. And I’m sure that was a powerful lesson.

Justin:  It was. That’s a good observation you make. Because I don’t think I taught again for at least 2 or 3 more years.

Jeff:  Oh, okay. But you’ve got a taste of it. So, what happened then?

Justin:  So I talked to the class, it was good. And around that time, I began investing a lot of time to self-development. 7 Habits, the 8 Habits. There is a book called The Ten Percent Solution by Mark Allen. I read that book. And I just really immersed myself in it.

I’m going to ask the library for any birthdays and Christmases, I asked for self-development books, and I got some nice hardcover editions. And I went through school. And the more I read about self development and a little bit about business, the more I lost my passion for school.

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And it got to the point where I was – well, halfway through grade 11, I had a friend who’s in home schooling and he had this good awesome stuff with his day, and I was spending 7 to 8 hours a day in school. So finally, I was just fed up. So I went to the principal’s office, and I planned for this moment, I wasn’t completely spontaneous. And I had a letter, and at the top of the letter, it was titled letter of resignation, so I actually resigned from high school halfway through. I didn’t need my parents’ consent because I was over 16. And I had there some forms that I had to fill out so I signed that and did all that. And then actually, I think the following week I enrolled in a self-education program so I could teach myself high school basically.

Jeff:  Wow. Okay. So there is such a thing as a self-education program.

Justin:  Yeah, it’s a distance education. It was online based, so I think within 3 or 4 months of that, I actually incorporated my first company. And I basically started flying to all this self-development events across Canada, and teaching stuff, and just networking. And I was doing that full time and I would spend maybe half an hour, an hour a day at night on my computer taking care of the high school stuff.

Jeff:  Oh, okay. Wow. Okay, so how old were you at this point about?

Justin:  Grade 11. That would be…

Jeff:  Like 17, maybe?

Justin:  That would be around 16, I think.

Jeff:  Okay. So you were 16 years old, you have – I don’t want to say dropped out, you resigned from high school. And pursued another path that let you actually complete that in an hour a day. And using all of the free time that you created that you opened out, you started a business where you were going around teaching and training people. What were you training on?

Justin:  In 2007, I started it off just in some financial services and I started an events series called the Love club. Now that was basically teaching – well it was more about facilitating this event that happen once o month and it was all about what do you need, what’s your next step, how can we help each other become resourceful. I gave I think one or two workshops at that event in addition to facilitating it, on time management, asking the right questions, and having the right mind set.

It was really just about connecting people and building that atmosphere because I have this belief that there is always more knowledge in the audience than there is just in the one speaker. So, I was trying to draw that out and create some synergy.

Jeff:  Okay, cool. All right. So now, I know that everybody wants to know, did your parents have an absolute heart attack when you did all of these?

Justin:  I didn’t – we began discussing it before, but I didn’t tell them point blank I was going to do it the day I did. So, I think they were a little bit upset at it but I was very precautious by then. And then I think they got that so they’re like, “Well, just make sure you get good marks on this online high school thing.”

Jeff:  Okay. But outside of that, were they pretty supportive of it?

Justin:  I actually have a lot of things to thank my parents for. My dad actually was the one who gave me The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Teens which was the first self- development book I read. And he also invited me to my first business event. When I was I think 16, around the time when adult started, I started going to events.

Jeff:  Okay. All right. So, you finished your high school degree. And now it’s time for college, right? So what happened then?

Justin:  My mindset was really simple. When I was in high school, I committed to myself. I’m pretty sure I had it written down. I am never setting foot inside of a university. So, I was certain about that.

But then, we lived in the same city where they have a university, and my parents have some money so I decide, so I thought, you know what? It’s paid for. I’ll take one or two classes. So I did that. Did business full time. I started a non-profit group called Business Leaders of Tomorrow at the university where we created mastermind groups of young people and got them asking questions like what’s your passion? What do you love? What’s the next step? And helped them to create clarity around what their purpose was. And then I did that for the first year, and then it went on. And some other really cool stuff happened.

Jeff:  Okay. So did you actually get a degree?

Justin:  I haven’t got a degree right now. I actually went to business school at the University of Guelph for about two and half years. And then, I was basically ready to resign that, and I took some time off, and I did some work. And I actually decided to study psychology.

So, I’m actually taking some psychology courses right now in addition to running my business. And it’s quite fascinating, actually. When you take the optimum framework of say, counseling psychology and psychotherapy. If you’re going to apply it to a consulting role. it allows you to take a part of the conversations your having with your clients and say, “Okay. What works? Why doesn’t it work? And how can I look at this massive body of research that western psychology has done?” And I actually draw lessons from that and applied it to my business so that I can be more effective.

Jeff:  So it sounds like you’re in college, you’re taking college classes now. Is it your goal to get a degree or to learn?

Justin:  Both. I’ll get my Bachelor’s degree within…probably within the next 12 months. And I am considering pursuing masters, masters or Ph.D. program afterwards, either in psychology, probably or else I’m looking at going to Medicine as well.

Jeff:  Okay cool. What’s your main business now?

Justin:  I say that my main business is basically been what my main business has been for a while, and that’s really helping people to find out what their passion is and to actualize their passion, and walking people through the set of steps that’s required to identify what they’re really awesome at, what really puts them in the zone, and how they can actually monetize that into a business.

Jeff:  So did you do that in a consulting kind of a fashion?

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Justin:  Yes, I’ve been doing that in a consulting fashion for the past few years. And I actually started off calling myself as a life coach, which was good, but I found that there’s a lot of life coaches out there, and they really realized the importance of finding a niche. So I started to ask myself, what are the conversations I really care about having? And that really light me up? And there was almost always revolved around asking people, what do you love doing. If you’re not doing it now, what steps do you have to take to get there?

Jeff:  Okay. Cool. So, what is it about that? What is it about that process of helping someone to find their passion that gets you really excited?

Justin:  Have you ever heard of Bruce Spartan? He wrote a couple of different books on marketing around the 1920’s?

Jeff:  I have, and he is on my reading list but I have not read any of those.

Justin:  He is an awesome author. The term  he uses is he talks about uncovering the business or the person that nobody knows. And you take a person and say, you interview them. I’ve done a lot or writing, and I published some articles in the newspaper this past summer about when you interview someone, you’re really trying to uncover the essence of who they are, you’re really trying to look them in the eye and really see what makes them tick.

And I find that I do that even in the consulting role, and what often surprises me is when I really get to know that person and see what they are capable of and find out what their passion are. That information isn’t always something that they see themselves. So sometimes, it takes someone outside of you to ask you what do you love and who you are for you to actually see that as clearly as they do.

And going through that process is – for me that’s my zone. When I’m talking with the client on the phone, whether I’m in Canada, at my house or my office taking the call, or whether I’m in Brazil like I was last year. As soon as I start talking to the client and take him in through this processes, and just being present with them, everything else for me just disappears. It’s like a professional athlete playing tennis. He’s looking at the ball, he is just totally in the zone, immersed. Everything else disappears, the roar of the crowds are gone. He is just in that zone and that’s what it’s like for me.

Jeff:  So how often in your life do you get to be in that zone?

Justin:  I tell my clients if they can spend half an hour a day doing that, then that’s a great start. And I go by the same rule. I go for at least an hour a day. For me, there’s three things I’m really awesome at. That is teaching, writing and speaking. When I read the book The Power of Focus by Les Hewitt, I don’t know, 5 years ago or something like that, that’s what came up. And that’s still the same three things today.  So I’d say that I probably at least a few hours everyday doing some or all of a combination of those three.

Jeff:  Okay. So what about each and every day you wake up in the morning, what is the thing that you look forward to?

Justin:  If it’s work related, I usually start doing it right away. So for instance, with this call, I woke up and I started thinking, “All right, what am I going to talk about with Jeff? What are some of the stories I can share? What are the questions I can ask?” Or equally, if I’m going to the mountains that day just for a hike, I’m looking forward to that.

Jeff:  So, you mentioned going to the mountain, is that something that you do regularly?

Justin:  I am very much an outdoorsy person and that’s one of the reasons I moved to Vancouver. I live 5 or 6 blocks from the ocean right now, and the mountains are like a 20-minute drive away. I find that going to the mountains brings me a certain peace and serenity that’s hard to find elsewhere. I find that business events and those sort of things are really fun to go to, and it’s kind of where I expend my energy.

But when I need to go to recharge is in the mountains or swimming in the ocean or something like that. And with that, I find that something that a lot of people get caught up in is the doing. Doing things for my business, investing money, managing my money, just doing all this stuff.

And one of my earlier mentors, his name is Evan, he taught me, “Before you do, you must be.” And we’ve all heard of that. But I just think that it’s so important to actually take the time to be present with yourself, and ask those really deep questions like who am I? What’s my purpose? What do I really want out of life? Because when you quiet your mind and you start asking those questions, sometimes the answers can be very different that when you’re in the world, and you’re seeing the Dolce Armani suit on sale, you’re seeing the guy driving the Benz, and then you’re grasping.

Jeff:  I think so much of our life is spent grasping at those things and then once we get them, we spend so much time and energy trying to keep them.

Justin:  Yes. All along with business books when I was younger, I read a lot of  philosophical and some spiritual books and a lot of the different philosophies or religions talked about. Like the philosophy of no attachment and Buddhism for instance,  right? They basically state that the cause of pain is suffering. Suffering is pain, and suffering is caused by attachment. So have no attachment, and you won’t suffer. I don’t think agree with that fully but I think it’s a very good point.

Jeff:  Excellent. What does this lifestyle allow you to do that you couldn’t do otherwise?

Justin:  I think the difference between me and a lot of people is, right now, I do things because I want to. I can tell you that everything I’m doing in my life even down to where I live in is what I choose to do. It’s not something I’m doing because I think it’s the only path to survive a goodbye or because I talk to. But it’s because I choose to.

And even right now, going back to school and studying psychology, I thought long and hard about that and I thought, you know what? I don’t plan on dying anytime soon and there’s this great university nearby. Why don’t I go and get some degrees? Or maybe even be a doctor one day? It could be fun. And a great question, great screening question actually, that I ask myself probably too often is what would I do if I won 5 or 10 million dollars? And if my life is not the same as that or not very close to that, then I know I have some major work to do.

Jeff:  Oh, wow. Now, that’s interesting. So you don’t want your life to be any different now than I it would be if you had 5 or 10 million bucks in the bank.

Justin:  I mean, there’s a few – one of the reasons I am going to – concerned about earning more wealth is so I can do more things with it, expand my non-profit. One of my dreams is to start a school of my own. Doing less of that, managing large assets right now, I guess you could say. But in the scheme of things, like when I asked myself that question a few years ago, it was, if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would actually go back to school and study psychology. I said, okay, well guess what I’m doing? I want to do that.

Jeff:  Yeah. That’s awesome. So, really what you’re doing is you’re eliminating money as something that controls your life.

Justin:  I think so. When I resigned from my corporate job and decided never to go back to wear a suit everyday, go downtown, and work 10 or 12 hours a day lifestyle, I didn’t really have a plan what else I would do because that was a position where there is some good money in the future if I’d stuck around and then really applied myself. And it was fairly predictable.

So I turned my back, and I said no. It wasn’t really like I had plan be totally cleared out. It was like, I’m saying no to this because I know there’s something bigger. I have this value and this sense of worth for my own life that I want to do something with it that’s worthy.

And the turning point for me when that happened is I was thinking about this corporate job, and  I was working on that in Toronto. And I was walking just north of downtown, and I was crossing the street where there is a turnoff off of the highway, on the freeway. And I was looking on my iPhone and my Google maps was wrong so I had to stop and turn around.

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At that moment, I heard a screech of breaks, and I smelled burning rubber, and I looked down. And there was a car maybe six inches away from me that had to literally slam on his breaks, and he skidded to a stop just before he hit me. And I’ve been hit by a car before. That was the reason I quit my first job I ever had is I was actually hit by a car, and I thought about my life and I quit that job. That was in real estate, too. So it’s almost happened the second time.

So I walked away, my heart’s pounding, I’m like, if he was half a second off in his reaction time, there would either be no me, or I’d have no legs. Because he was going probably 60 miles an hour it would be, so 100 kilometers an hour. And it turned off, slowed down and slammed on his breaks.

So in that moment I said, you know what? The job is over. I’m not just going to live a life where if I died, I’d have regrets. Because it just almost happened the second time, I don’t know if there is a greater power for sure or not, but if there is, He’s sending me a message. So I better take it. And then, I went straight to consulting actually, I think a few weeks after I got a consulting gig in a different city. And I moved there and went with it.

Jeff:  How does this lifestyle affect your personal relationships? Friends, family anything.

Justin:  With my friends, I noticed that I really enjoy spending time with other people who really want to take charge of their own life and choose to do something different. I’m not saying normal is bad, it’s not. But I find that I just enjoy spending time with people who have a higher degree of an ambition, they want to create something.

I think this tendency and this one thing to create has become such a high value for me that I value that and other people as well. And when I get together for lunch or dinner with someone, we don’t talk about the weather or sports or anything, we talk, well okay, what are you creating in your life? What book are you writing? What are you writing about? What are you speaking about? What are your values? What are your philosophies?

Jeff:  Yeah. Everything else just gets so petty.

Justin:  It does because I think in the scheme of life, a lot of things are really distracting us from what’s important. And I think it takes discipline, and I think it takes a large amount of effort to turn away from the exciting sports and the exciting events and the Mercedes. And in Vancouver, you see at least probably one Lamborghini or Ferrari a day drives by, it’s easy to get attached and say, “I want money so I can buy fancy stuff,” or “I want to be popular,” it’s easy to follow that path and a lot harder to say, “If I got hit by a car the second time or the third time, what would I have to be living like so I would actually have no regrets?” Those are answers that can often be different.

Jeff:  Yeah. Well now, you mentioned distractions. What would you tell somebody who feels like, they are listening to what you’re saying, and they’re saying, “This sounds great. I like this but I’ve got so much going on in my life. I have to have this job otherwise, I can’t pay my bills. And I’ve got this other commitments, maybe family commitments, I don’t know how to go do something different.” What would you advise that person?

Justin:  I think that there’s two things, one of them is taking time to reflect. Taking even five minutes a day to sit down, and just be present with yourself. Or a journal or go for a walk in the forest just to slow down. So, time is number one. Two is perspective. You can – say, you work at McDonald’s.

I met someone once, I don’t think he ever worked at McDonald’s, but he told me, “Justin, you know what? I have such a clear sense of purpose that if I had to work at McDonald’s, I could find a way to love doing that.” Because his mission in life is to inspire people, to just help them see the greatness in themselves and just to encourage. He’s really an encouraging guy. So, I think taking the time to reflect and say, “What’s my purpose?” which ultimately I believe you create and you choose and asking, what are my talents? What are my passions?

And when you clarify those, you can actually step right back in to the same life you have right now, but with this new knowledge. You can ask yourself the questions that I ask my clients such as, how can you take your passion and apply in your present day job? Or how can you take what you really value, and use that to shift your behavior and how you treat others around you? Because no matter where you are in life, you could be a cashier at McDonald’s, you actually still have an opportunity to make a difference.

Jeff:  What you’re talking about is really not letting your external circumstances affect your happiness.

Justin:  Basically. And that’s just to clarify that something. I strive towards, I do not [unclear 00:28:18]

Jeff:  And I think that if you were, you would be on a much different show. But one of the things that I ask myself periodically is, I think of what would be one of the worst things that I could think could happen to me, and that would be to be imprisoned. Because I’m very, very much about freedom, and I think that’s one of the most horrible things I could imagine happening.  Probably not the most horrible. But I always think about that and I think, could I find a way to be happy in that situation? And for me that’s a litmus test because I truly feel that I should be able to be happy regardless of what my external circumstances are.

Justin:  Have you heard of the book Man Search For Meaning by Viktor Frankl?

Jeff:  I have not, no.

Justin:  I would highly recommend you and any of your listeners to buy the book. What the book’s about is Austrian psychiatrist by the name of Viktor Frankl who is Jewish and he was imprisoned in the concentration camps of World War II. And he spent several years of his life in a concentration camp and he saw his entire family die before his eyes. And he survived. When the war was over, he was released.

And he wrote about his experiences and this book is basically about him being in a concentration camp and discovering what he calls one of the last of the human freedoms. Is it between the stimulus? What happens to us? And our response, how we respond to it? There’s always that space and in that space lies the freedom to choose our own attitude. So whenever I’m having a really bad day, I just read that book and say, wow. If someone in a concentration camp found the way to choose their own attitude in spite of being tortured, and all of these atrocities happening to them, I can find a way to do that in my own life.

Jeff:  Justin, what would you recommend to somebody who is out there and they’re thinking that they’d like to create a life like you have, that lets them pursue the things that are important to them. What’s the biggest piece of advice that you would have for that person?

Justin:  I think the biggest pieces of advice I would have for that person, Jeff, is education. Specifically, education about how to be proactive. I mean, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People or The Highly Effective Teens version is actually better in my opinion. It’s a good start. That book is just a lot smaller, simpler and easier to read. And practicing them, because no matter where you are, you can always find a way to be proactive, to choose your mindset in spite of circumstances. You can always begin with an end in mind, and choose your future. And you can always start to come up with priorities and things you need to do now to help you move in that direction.

Jeff:  Awesome, awesome advice. And you’re actually saying you’d recommend the teen book for an adult?

Justin:  The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Teens. A friend of mine is an executive coach and he works with CEO’s. And he actually tells them to buy that book.

Jeff:  That’s cool. It speaks to our human need for simplicity that does not end when we become officially adults.

Justin:  Yes.

Jeff:  Yeah. That’s awesome. What would you say is the biggest mistake that you’ve made on this journey?

Justin:  That’s a good question. One of my philosophies in life is, there are no mistakes, you learn from everything. However, I would still answer your question.

Jeff:  You know what? I’m just going to interject with an observation. Almost every guest I have on the show, that’s the only question that I ask all the time. I ask every single guest that same question. And the answer is always qualified with something like that. Something like, “Well, I don’t regret anything.” But, what I would’ve done differently – and I think that that’s a testament to what it takes to build a lifestyle. And what it takes is that mentality and that attitude of never having regrets, one of the things I talked about in my book. But anyway, that was my little sidebar, I’m sorry go ahead and answer the question.

Justin:  That’s okay. I think the virtue of patience is something that I’ve come to appreciate a lot more as of recent. And rewind 5 or 6 or 7 years, patience was really wasn’t in my vocabulary. And I think at that time when I was younger, had I had a little bit more patience then I would’ve been able to appreciate my present situation a little bit more. I would’ve been thankful for being where I was, and being able to appreciate what’s in my immediate surroundings rather than wishing so badly that I was somewhere else that I almost failed to be present in my own life at the moment.

Jeff:  And it just went by.

Justin:  Yes and no. I mean, I think I have lost in life nonetheless, but I think it could have been improved.

Jeff:  Yeah. I didn’t mean to say that your whole life had just gone away. I just meant that that time had passed without you being able to appreciate it, and you can’t get it back. So that’s a huge lesson. What’s an important, a really important lesson that you learned about business?

Justin:  I think the biggest universal lesson that I know is, build your product or service around your customers. When I was designing a online life coach training product, we started with the product, and what we’re good at and what we knew, rather than starting off asking what does the market really need.

So, I think that it’s important to ask what’s my customers’ biggest pain? And really be clear with who you want to work with in regard to who you enjoy working with. For me, it’s very simple and its okay. What are my customers’ biggest pain as people who aren’t sure where they’re going, people who are struggling with transition, or people who are just really dissatisfied with their life where they’re at, and they want to create something different.

Which means the characteristics of these people tend to be people who are willing to change and people who want to be happy to work with. So I think finding out what that target market is, what their biggest needs are, and building something that caters to that,  that’s probably one of the better places to start rather than just saying what’s the product I would like.

Jeff:  Okay. Excellent, excellent advice. Thank you very much for that, our listeners appreciate it. And we appreciate you’re being on the How to Quit Working show today. Where can we go to get more information about Justin Brokop?

Justin:  You guys can go to www.justinbrokop.com, and if anyone is interested in a complimentary session, they can go to justinbrokop.com/complimentary and I’d also be happy to spend some time chatting with any of your listeners who would be interested to do so.

Jeff:  And what type of person might be interested in talking to you?

Justin:  I’d say that people who are going through transition and are wanting to seek more clarity about what their purpose is, what their mission is, and how they can really take their passion and turn that into a business where they’re getting paid to consult or to build a product. But we really want to focus on answering the question of who am I and how do I integrate that better into what I do.

Jeff:  Excellent, excellent. We are going to link that out below, and we’ll also put a direct link to the complimentary session that you offer. And again Justin, what’s the last thing that you want to leave our listeners with?  Remember, everybody listening to this show, they just want to be just like you.

Justin:  I would say that to everyone, remember that you have a gift. And don’t allow yourself to die with your music still inside of you because the world needs that.

Jeff:  Excellent. Thank you very much, Justin. I appreciate your willingness to share everything about your journey, and I wish you the best of luck.

Justin:  Thank you very much, Jeff.  It was a pleasure to be on your show.

Jeff:  Thanks.

I love talking to Justin because, with him, lifestyle and being the best person he can be and having the best life that he can have is not something that’s confined to the evenings, it’s not confined to an hour before bed. It is what drives and motivates him in every single thing he does.

And I think it’s really interesting, a couple of things about Justin’s story that the first one, the thing that he said that really caught my attention was he said, as soon as he got involved, or soon as he got interested in self development, he lost his interest for school. And I think that’s really a shame that we have an education system that leaves people who are interested in becoming better people behind.

And then the other thing I think is really cool about Justin is that he is actually considering going back into a traditional educational system. But if he does that, and if he makes the decision to do that, it will be because he wants to. Not because has to. Not because somebody told him that that’s the way that he should to it, but because that is what he believes is the best path for him, and that’s what he wants to pursue.

So that’s it for this episode of the How to Quit Working show. Thank you for joining us. Leave me a comment below, and let me know what you think, let me know what you like, what you don’t like, and let the world know that as well.  Also don’t forget to subscribe if you’re listening in iTunes, you can also subscribe on YouTube,  and like I said, leave a comment below, and I look forward to the next time.

For more information about Justin, visit:

justinbrokop.com. If you want to figure out who you are and how to create a business with what you are passionate about, visit justinbrokop.com/complimentary for a complimentary, no obligation session with Justin to discuss.

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About Jeff Steinmann

Jeff wants to help you Live More. He is the author of How to Quit Working, A Simple Plan to Quit Your Job for a Life of Freedom. He hosts a weekly show called The How to Quit Working Show that features lessons from Freedom Fanatics who quit their soul-sucking 9-5 job and created a business that lets them live a passionate life of freedom. Jeff also writes for several media outlets, including The Huffington Post, Lifehack and Elite Daily. Most of all, Jeff is a Freedom Fanatic, fiercely devoted to finding a better way to “do life”.

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