Jeff Steinmann: Hello, and welcome to the How To Quit Working show. Awesome show coming up today. We’re going to talk to Nick Loper of Side Hustle Nation. Awesome, awesome guy with an awesome story and he’s going to talk about his journey and he’s also going to tell us about his podcast that he has that is for people who are starting up things on the side while they’re still working a full time job. I thought that might be of interest to folks who are listening to the How To Quit Working show.
But before we get into that, I want to talk about a review that I got on the book How To Quit Working, from Ken Canion. Now, Ken Canion is a former Biggest Loser contestant and he also is a speaker and a development coach. This guy is really passionate about just helping people to be everything that they can possible be in their life. And he read How To Quit Working and after reading it, he said this:
“I’m a fan after reading this book. I love the way Jeff explains complex concepts in a simplistic way. His book is very practical. I had a lot of fun reading it while learning to grow my business. I’ve instituted several of the techniques in the book and they work.”
Ken, thank you for your very kind words about the How To Quit Working book. If you want to pick up your copy, you can get that at howtoquitworking.com/book. Again, that’s howtoquitworking.com/book. But, enough of that. Without further ado, let’s talk to Nick Loper. Nick, welcome to the show.
Nick Loper: Thanks for having me.
Jeff: Thanks for being here. Now, you’re an interesting guy. You used to work a full time job and you decided that that just wasn’t for you. What happened?
Nick: Well, it was a lot of years in the making.
Jeff: If it was easy and you could do it quickly, a lot more people would not work.
Nick: Right, right, right. If it was easy, everybody would be doing it, right? But my entrepreneurial pursuits or my adult entrepreneurial—that sounds like porn, doesn’t it?
Jeff: Whatever is paying the bills.
Nick: In school, I had this internship, the internship. Essentially, they set you up with a house painting, mini franchise and say, “This is your zip code. Go out there and sell some paint jobs.”
Jeff: Oh, was it like student house painters or something like that?
Nick: It was called College Works Painting and there’s a couple of these different operations.
Jeff: Yes! They did two bids for me at two different places.
Nick: Okay. Well, did you hire them?
Jeff: No. They’re actually really expensive. I had bids that were way less.
Nick: From professional painters, right?
Jeff: Yes. Exactly.
Nick: We can talk about my fears in pricing because I was—I underbid a lot of work because I was afraid of not being able to fill up the schedule and competing in price instead of on value and selling myself and all that stuff. But that was my first entrepreneurial bug where it really, really bit me. This is the hardest, most stressful job I probably ever had because it’s like, you’re essentially on your own. I don’t know how to paint a house. I’m in college. I remember sitting in cold calling—it’s the primary means of getting customers.
Jeff: Oh, really? Did they give you any kind of training or any kind of guides as to how to do that call scripts or teach you how to paint? I mean, anything at all?
Nick: Well, they did. So they did training. So they did paint training and they did sales training which was really, really good and then after the fact, we watched Boiler Room and we’re like, oh my god, this is exactly like College Works training. Always Be Closing and whatever else.
Jeff: Now, did you watch Boiler Room as a part of the internship program or was that just something you did on your own?
Nick: We watched it after.
Jeff: Okay. So that wasn’t part of your training, all right.
Nick: That would have been pretty bad. So I remember sitting in my truck and after having done a couple of laps around the neighborhood and like, okay, this looks like a decent neighborhood where people might take care of their houses and maybe they need paint jobs. And just the anxiety of like, if I don’t get out of this car and knock on that first door, nothing is going to happen.
And so, it’s just this overcoming this inertia and this comfort level. I’m pretty introverted and so it’s tough to get out and what I ended up doing was jogging between the houses because I figured somebody trudging up the driveway with a clipboard would at least look more enthusiastic if he was running. And then, sometimes the long driveway. And that was more efficient, too. I can cover more ground.
Jeff: Cool. So you’re getting creative.
Nick: You’re trying to. And then I get up to a long driveway and be completely out of breath and they’re like, “Who is this joker?” But it was okay because it ended up… despite all the disasters that ended up happening and there are plenty of war stories in the stakes that went on but you survived. You survived December and then you realize, oh, even though I was under the umbrella of this other company, I kind of just work for myself and you get bit by that bug and you’re like, oh man, I can’t imagine going back the other way. It kind of hits you and you’re like, oh, maybe there’s something to this whole entrepreneurship thing.
Jeff: Okay, so this is interesting because at first, it was scary to be kind of… have your control of your destiny, control of your paycheck, control of your success. But then, after you’d done it for awhile, you kind of didn’t want to go back.
Nick: It is. It was a little bit addicting in the fact that you could directly see your input and how it relates the output. That was a connection that wasn’t always present at some of my other jobs.
Jeff: Sure. So what was next? What happened after the College Painting thing?
Nick: Well, I did end up getting a corporate job like everybody else after graduation because I didn’t really see at that time like that entrepreneurship was a viable talent. You go to school, you miss all this money and you expect to come out at the other end with a job. And so that was kind of the path that I followed. That was the path that I did.
Jeff: Well, even though you were kind of already been bitten by the bug, why do you think you didn’t see that as an option? Why didn’t you think you didn’t see entrepreneurship as a realistic path?
Nick: I don’t know. I had probably bought in to the script a little bit and I think that was starting to change but I wasn’t fully ready to make that leap yet.
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Jeff: We’ve had a number of guests on the show and they had sort of a similar story like in high school or early on in college or in between or something. They start to get bit by the entrepreneurship bug. And then they go to college because that’s what they’re supposed to do and their parents probably would kill them if they didn’t. And they’re sort of seduced out of it and into the job realm. That sounds like that’s kind of what happened.
Nick: It is. So I guess before taking that job, I have started another side business in the basement of our college house that was related to online marketing, to affiliate marketing that I originally had. I was an intern at this footwear retailer. It’s one of the first online footwear retailers in the country. This was my first taste of the online marketing world, of pay-per-click advertising, of search engine.
Jeff: Is this the big one we’ve all heard of?
Nick: It’s not.
Nick: But they’re doing pretty well, kind of steady growth family-owned company. And so that was an interesting internship. It opened my eyes to a whole different world of online entrepreneurship and that’s the path that I took on a part-time basis after taking that corporate job. I moved across the country, didn’t know anybody, had a lot of free time especially weeknights and stuff.
So I was like, what can I do just to be more productive with this time? And so I had this little thing running on the side but I was like, this is kind of tough to scale especially part time. It’s labor intensive. So that’s where the idea to get the shoe shopping site built up came from. It’s just an idea that scale the efforts that are already been going on in this small scale.
Jeff: Okay. Cool. So tell us a little bit about what was that business like?
Nick: So that business was a comparison shopping site so it was like Price Grabber except just for shoes and we figured the… and I should back up and say, really the motivation behind this was not to help people find the best price on shoes. It was not that selfless. It was like, how can I make money? How can I extract money from this beautiful internet creation? Which is obviously the wrong mindset.
If you’re going to go into it backwards saying, what can I do to help people? What value can I bring? And was lucky enough to back into this saying, hey if we niche down and make a comparison site that is only on one vertical, we can probably create a tighter algorithm than some of the big boys because they got to be everything to everyone. And on top of that, we can work really closely with I have 20 or 40 stores, we can work really closely with them. Get exclusive deals, integrate their different offers into the product tables and do some cool stuff with that. And so I ended up being a cool resource for people shopping for shoes even if the original intent was just to find a way to make money online.
Jeff: Okay. Well, cool. Cool. So what happened next?
Nick: It was three years of nights and weekends for me. So I had a contract out to get the because I figured I could learn how to do it myself and I might still be learning, I might still not have a business up and running eight years later or hire somebody do it. And so I posted a job on guru.com at the time. It got a few bids back, and one of the guys was just a half hour away from me in Virginia.
So I was like, oh this is outsourcing but it’s really like, just down the street. And so I ended up meeting him in person in his apartment and we kind of hashed out the spec of the site and like all software projects, it took way longer to build than they said it would. But they stuck to their fixed price bid which is very good of them. And most of the team was in India so there were some communication but it was really cool to have the guy be local as well. So it was a scary investment but had done a little bit of validation beforehand on a very small scale, the direct linking and stuff like that to test the people. We’re buying shoes online and this is something that might be viable on a bigger scale.
Jeff: I got you. I got you. So then, what happened after that?
Nick: So I guess the three years of nights and weekends building this up incrementally before I felt comfortable to give my notice at work and have been through a couple of different relocations at that time. And I was never the person that hated work, that hated Monday. It was just something I never saw myself climbing the ladder. I just had no interest in being a career… I don’t know, like a career guy. Does that makes sense?
Jeff: Yeah, absolutely.
Nick: I don’t know. I wasn’t particularly excited about shoes either but it was a lot more fun than going back to seeing the direct result of your input to the output.
Jeff: Yeah. Well now, when you left your job, you were still working for the shoe place, right?
Nick: So that was my own thing on the side. That was just a college internship at the time.
Jeff: Oh, I got you. I got you. Okay. So you were working on a different full time job. You got the shoe comparison site up and then at what point—how did you know that it was time to leave your corporate job?
Nick: So I had a number—and I can’t remember what it was. This was in 2008. And I think I wanted to replace my corporate income for six consecutive months or for 12 months or something. So it was probably more conservative than I need it to be but that was the… like I said, introvert, risk averse, all these talks. Trying to be as cautious as I could about it.
Jeff: Yeah, you’ve got to get to a point where you’re comfortable.
Nick: And so it took a couple of beers. I was out to dinner with my boss. It took a couple of beers to build up the nerve. It was not a good time. I was working in a car business. Not a good time for the car business. And so there’s going to be all these rumors of cuts and layoffs and stuff. It’s like, I would hate for somebody else on the team to lose their job if they really, really needed it. They really liked it. They really wanted to have a career at this company whereas I was not fully bought in.
And so it’s like… almost like, I’ll take one for the team. The timing is okay. Like Jim, because timing’s never going to be perfect but it’s a good a time as any and now let’s see if we can make this leap and hopefully somebody else will not get the axe because somebody fell on the sword.
Jeff: Sure, sure. Okay. Well so that was kind of a bit of a selfless act there. You kind of were able to help yourself and help somebody else along potentially.
Nick: Potentially. I mean, then the funny thing, the next day. So I have been heavily reliant on Google for traffic. And the next day, I’m getting set up in my home office, my first day of retirement, of how to quit working. This is going to be awesome, working from home, hanging out with the dog and like, some server crash. I don’t know. The site went down and out of all days, Google picks this day to evaluate the site for a quality control. And they’re like, well this site—this is terrible. This site doesn’t even work. So they shut down the entire account.
Jeff: Oh my gosh.
Nick: And then even once the site is back up and running, it’s kind of like, drawn this red flag and they’re like, well on second thought, this is a pretty crappy looking site, dude. You’re not bringing a lot to the table. And I was like, are you kidding me? It has been running for 12 months, no problem. All these thousands of customers are happy. I just quit my job. I just turned in the keys to my company car. What are you doing? It took three months. It took the entire summer. So like, we’re not on video. I used to have hair. It was crazy stressful. 2008, the economy is just completely in free fall. I was like, what did I do? It was really, really scary.
Jeff: So you were able to get back into the good graces of Google but it took like, three months, right?
Nick: It took three months. It took a significant investment in redeveloping the site because they don’t tell you what they’re looking for. It’s just very, very vague. And at this point, their customer service was even worse than it is now. Actually, they’ve improved. To their credit, they’ve improved a lot. But Google customer service back in those days was very much an oxymoron. And you’re like, I’d spend six figures a year, I don’t know, some crazy amount of money with you and this is the treatment I get? Come on!
But it was really, really scary. In the end, like everybody will say, it ended up being a good thing, the silver lining of it all. Because it did force us to make some improvements to the site and make a better experience for the shoppers. So that was… it ended up being a good thing, kind of positioned it well for the next couple of years.
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Jeff: Awesome, awesome. Well now, in your picture on Skype, it looks like a wedding picture. So you’re obviously married. Were you married at the time that you made the leap from working for someone else to being your own boss?
Nick: We were not, although we’re coming up on 15years together. So we’re high school sweethearts. So we’ve been together for a lot of years. And so Bryn has always been very supportive and thankfully has much more stable employment. So it has given me the freedom to go out and experiment with some stuff without fear of ending up on the street.
Jeff: Cool. So, was she supportive of you making a leap?
Jeff: Awesome, awesome. Any tips out there for folks who are maybe wanting to make a big career change like this but want to make sure that they have their significant other on board?
Nick: I think if you can start small and can do some proof of concepts. So that’s how we started with this… it’s what I would do in college and starting at the very end of school is picking products I thought would sell or trying to find the store with the best price and buying ad words directly to those products and putting an affiliate link in the destination URL which I don’t even know if it is allowed anymore. But that was a way to validate this idea on a super cheap way. I funded my business account with $500. And it was profitable from the first month. It never really had to dip down below to cash flow.
So I mean, I started out and I think I was ecstatic to make like, $30. Oh my god, I’m in the black, right? And then I can scale it up from there. And so that’s kind of to get your significant other on board especially if they’re skeptical on the… they’re more traditional in the path like we’re going to need a paycheck. Like, see what you can do. See if you can get a customer to prove your idea while you’re still working.
And my friend Jullien Gordon from sidehustler.com talks about how you can use your employer as your silent partner in your business. Because you’re getting paid by them and investing that money into your side hustle to build that up and it’s like, they’re your venture capitalists. Because they have no ownership stake. And so they can kind of fund this.
Jeff: This is pretty awesome. I never thought of it that way.
Nick: Yeah, I thought that was a pretty good metaphor.
Jeff: Yeah. That’s awesome. Well Nick, tell us a little bit more about, you said that you used Google Ad Words and maybe some other techniques to test out your idea. Tell us a little bit about how is somebody go about if they have an idea and they want to just—for a small amount of money, maybe even less than $500—how do they go about poking around and just seeing if it’s going to work online?
Nick: So I like the paid traffic because it’s instant feedback. You can spend months trying to game the search engine algorithms and trying to rank organically, but if you want quick validation, I mean, they’ll show your landing pages. They’ll show your ad right away if you pay them enough. And so, that’s the quickest way to get to the top of the ranking. So if you’ve got an idea you want to test, you can put together a landing page or a small website and they’re getting stricter about what to let you advertise in terms of lead captures, squeeze pages, and stuff like that.
But if you have a product to sell, for example, didn’t they do this on lifestyle business—they were talking about their origin story in selling the first cat furniture design. They’re selling the first ballet podium that they put up. They didn’t even have the product built yet but they created the site, created the Ad Words and drove people to the site and once they got people to click the Buy button, they would send them a note, oh hey, by the way, this product isn’t actually available yet or on back order. They came up with some story but they’re like, dude, somebody pulled out their credit card and actually wanted to pay us for this thing. And so they’re like, that’s like, it’s all systems go for launch. Like, let’s get this thing built and scale this up.
Jeff: Sure, sure. So they were actually going out and seeing if they can get a customer before they even had a product. That’s awesome. That’s awesome.
Nick: Yeah, you can do some fun things online. Just put up some good looking pictures and a nice looking page. I think the trust signal of a decent looking landing page is probably your biggest sales force or your biggest sales influencer right now.
Jeff: What do you mean by that?
Nick: Well, I don’t know. If you go look in the way back, wishing of how crappy the first version of looked back in the day. But I, especially in the last couple of years, really started to pay more attention to the design of certain sites and offering some critiques. Because there’s a million and one free WordPress templates and even if that’s too technical, there’s Wix and Weebly and Squarespace and all these really, really cool site builders. Beautiful templates. It’s like, there’s no reason to have a crappy site from front page 1998 and it’s just like, oh my god. Because you see those and you’re like, are these guys still in business? Are they worth doing business with when they’re not really following the conventions or following the trends?
Jeff: Oh, okay. Okay, I got you. So what you’re saying is, have a decent looking website. It’s not that hard and it’s not that expensive.
Nick: It really isn’t. And it’s a fine line between kind of like… we’ve talked about the perfection and worrying is it good enough to launch and all that stuff, and spending just a little bit of time to make it look nice, to make it look okay because I think that’s one of those 80-20 things. And I’m the person who is dumb about this and will spend hours trying to figure out how to move this stupid little box up three pixels and just waste a ton of time on that. Use one of these templates, even a paid template, it’s like $50, and just get something that looks nice up there.
Jeff: Cool, cool. So what happened next? You quit your job. You had a shoe site up. Then what happened?
Nick: So in the last couple of years, I’m trying to diversify a little bit. So I branched out in my most recent project. And so, we talked about not super excited about the shoes or shoe business and doing it for a lot of years. But I did a lot of soul searching about a year ago, trying to figure out spring 2013, what am I really into? All the internet guru, follow your passion, blah, blah, blah. I don’t want to buy into that too much because what do I really care about?
I was like, well, I had this unique experience as being a side hustler part time entrepreneur. If the unemployment rate is 8%, the employment rate is 92%. Let’s go after this 92% of people that whatever—you mean, you’ve got the statistics to say a ton of them aren’t happy with their jobs. They might be looking for something more productive to do on the side and there’s a million reasons why somebody would want to side hustle: to make more money, to do something they’re really excited about or whatever, to try and build a resource for that. And so that’s my latest project. It’s called sidehustlenation.com and the podcast to go along with it, which you’ve been kind enough to come on as a guest for.
Jeff: Absolutely. So sidehustlenation.com. We’ll put a link to that below this episode of the show. And Nick, tell us who would be interested in listening to that podcast.
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Nick: So each week, we explore a different side hustle business idea or a strategy to try and see what… to give people an idea of what they can work on outside of their day job. How can they spend their five to nine to set themselves up either to as an escape route from their corporate job or just to earn some money on the side. Like, some people are perfectly happy working. I used to talk to some people on the podcast, I would hate to lose my day job or my career but this is something I do on the side. This is for me. Like some people—Jullien might have said this too; some people run marathons in their spare time. I run businesses. There’s no difference. Your boss shouldn’t care as long as no conflict of interest, he shouldn’t care.
Jeff: Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Well, cool. Cool. So sidehustlenation.com. We can check out your podcast and you’re just going to talk to people with different business ideas every week and we’ll learn about different ways to do a side hustle. I love the terminology that you use there. Every week, we’ll get some different ideas.
Nick: That’s what it’s all about.
Jeff: Awesome, awesome. Well Nick, what’s the biggest lesson that… let me actually say it differently. What’s the biggest mistake that you’ve made on this journey?
Nick: This is a good time. I just wrote an article for billionsuccess.com on my three biggest mistakes. So I’ll share those three. The first one was hiring an incompetent programmer, incompetent web development team. A few years into the shoe business, it was due for redesign. I was pissed off and my current team—they were horrible communicators. I thought they were like, had some technical shortcomings.
And so I was like, hey, I did this once. I could do it again. Not realizing there’s probably some beginner’s luck at play in the beginning. So I went out, put the job out for bid again, hired these guys in Minnesota, I think. I was really excited because a U.S. bid came back, not too much more expensive than some of the overseas ones, like, this is going to be great. We had a couple of really good Skype calls. The guy understood the scope of the work.
And then, a couple of mistakes here. He convinced me to do business with him off of the eLance platform and so when he eventually flaked several months down the road, there was zero recourse. Because even though the bid was through their platform and this is totally against their terms of service and everything, knowing now, but it was like, we can save their fee if we go off grid essentially. I was like, okay, you seem like a trustworthy guy. Let’s do it. Big, big mistake because whatever fee they charged—10 percent or something—is miniscule in the overall cost of the wasted thousands of dollars and months of heartache and just a nightmare of trying to deal with this guy. So that was mistake number one.
Mistake number two was probably not bringing somebody on board to help me with the business earlier because it was… when times are good, you kind of plugged in to this system and you’re limited by the hours of day you can execute on this system. And so I was like, kind of running up against my ceiling of available hours.
It would’ve been smarter for me to delegate and train somebody to come on board and help out with that but there is all these fears of like, they’re not going to do as good a job as me. I’m going to lose all this time training them. What if they steal my ideas? And all of this nonsense. I really should have put on my entrepreneur hat earlier. This is work on your business instead of in it. But I was very much in the trenches, in it, and would have been wise to take a breath and look above the trench for a second.
And then the third mistake was just pursuing projects I didn’t really care about. So after the shoe site, I had a couple of other—a handful of different disasters. Nah, I won’t say disasters but just projects that you were kind of half ass and half brain. Like, I didn’t fully research the stuff and didn’t really care about it. I don’t know. Like for example, I start a wine site like, a wine gift site. And I was like, I don’t really care. Other than living in wine country, I know nothing about wine other than I like to drink it every now and again. It’s like, there was really no value add to this site.
And so then, eventually you have to step back like, what’s the reason this exists? If it exists solely to direct people to other products to get an affiliate commission, maybe that’s not a good enough reason to exist. It’s like, what value is this bringing to the world? Not a lot, to be honest. I was like, let’s pull a plug on this and do something else.
Jeff: Interesting. So it sounds like there’s really been a shift in the way that you… and to step back from your mistakes and looking at an overall theme that I see. There’s been a stepping back and looking at things really differently, right? So you said you started out very much money, money, money. And I totally get that. And I don’t think that was a bad decision because had you not build a business that makes money, you wouldn’t have been able to leave your full time job, and you wouldn’t have been able to build what you’ve now built. But what I see is there’s definitely a progression away from your business as being as much about money and being more about being something meaningful and something that you’re really passionate about.
Nick: It’s trying to be… I’m trying to build something helpful. I’m trying to be helpful in the world and the book that really solidified the shift was The Go-Giver. Probably my favorite business book of all time.
Jeff: Is that Bob Burg, I believe?
Nick: It’s a Bob Burg, like a parable. So it’s kind of in the style of The One Minute Manager and all those business books which nerds read that stuff up.
Jeff: Most of our listeners are nerds, too. We all eat that up.
Nick: Perfect. I love it. So that was one of my favorites. It just talks about the… what can you do to help other people and then that kind of repays you back. And not fully in the altruistic sense. I don’t know if he gives this example but like, Apple with the iPod. The original ad was “A thousand songs in your pocket” or something. They’re fully willing to take your money for it but they’re giving that crazy value that no one else has ever heard of before. A thousand songs in my pocket? That’s awesome. Life’s better with this soundtrack. Let’s do this. And stuff like that. It’s not fully like running a charity but what can you do to help other people, or can you do that to bring value to their world?
Jeff: Excellent. Well, we’ll link that up. The Go-Giver by Bob Burg, we’ll link that up as well below. Nick, can you also Skype me the URL to the article that you mentioned when you were talking about the three mistakes? And we’ll link that up as well.
Nick: Okay, I’ll send that over.
Jeff: Excellent. We’ll link that up below the show. So if you want to hear more about the three biggest mistakes that Nick made, there’ll be a blog post below you can click on to get more information on that. And Nick, before we wrap up, tell us, what’s the biggest piece of advice that you would have for somebody out there who wants to quit working?
Nick: The number one piece of advice that I like to give is, it’s not a piano. And this is something that my dad would hammer into my brain when we were working on home improvement projects. None of his handyman skills rubbed off on me but this bit of advice stuck. What he meant by this was, kind of going back, perfection is the enemy of good enough, right? If you can get something out there quickly and like I said, find balance between what looks good and what doesn’t look good. But get it out to the world. It doesn’t have to be 100% perfect, and this is really tough as being a type A perfectionist kind of mentality. So that’s what I would say. Launch something quickly. Get some feedback on it, try and get a customer and then you’re validated. Then you can go.
Jeff: So the lesson is, do it quickly. Not perfect, but also remember—and this is important. It’s true of every aspect of businesses: it’s all about balance. You can’t be in one end of this spectrum. Awesome, awesome.
Nick: How’s that for some contradictory closing advice?
Jeff: Well, I think it’s good stuff though. Because there just is no like… you can’t build a business with sound bites. That’s a fact of the matter. You just can’t build it with sound bites. It’s just not that simple. People got to think, right? You got to really think these things through. What is the right level of balance between perfection? Because most people really are out on that perfection end of the spectrum. It’s fear based.
Nick: I’ll give the example of starting the podcast last year. You read from Cliff and John Dumas and Pat Flynn and like, we’ve got these 400-dollar mics and mixer, set-ups. You had all this stuff. And so what we ended up going for was the 80-20 solution on sound quality. It’s like this ATR… it was like, less than $50 for the mic stand and the mike, a little dilly that sits on… it’s a little black thing that sits on top, the pop field.
Jeff: Yeah, the little thing, the round thing.
Nick: Is the quality going to be as good? No. But it’s a tiny fraction of the cost. We can get the show out here. We’re going to validate the idea. And not one person has complained about sound quality so I think it’s been okay.
Jeff: Yeah. That’s a really big thing. It’s like there’s these kind of podcast geeks and not to disparage them, but they’re really into all of the detail and quite frankly, I’ve got a 80-dollar microphone and garage band that came on my Mac and that’s what I do this entire podcast with. It’s an 80-dollar set-up.
Nick: Exactly. It’s incredibly cheap to get your ideas out into the world and the content matters more than anything else.
Jeff: Indeed, indeed. And actually, in my recording software on two or three different occasions, I’ve actually forgot to set it to use the 80-dollar mic and actually used the built-in microphone in that Macbook and it sounds comparatively terrible. But I don’t think that the listens on those shows are any less than any of the other shows.
So again, Nick, thank you so much for being on the show. Where can our listeners go to get more information about you and Side Hustle Nation?
Nick: Well, you said it. Sidehustlenation.com is the home base. Come on over, there’s a free report called The Five Fastest Ways to Earn More Money or something like that.
Jeff: Awesome, awesome. Head over to sidehustlenation.com. Get Nick’s free report on five ways to make money or something like that and listen to his podcast. It’s great stuff. I’ve listened to a couple of episodes and you can even hear me flipping my jaw on there as well.
Nick, thanks for being here and I wish you the best of luck and I look forward to staying in touch and seeing what awesome things you do in the future.
Nick: Awesome. Thanks for having me. Talk to you soon.
Jeff: And that was another awesome, awesome episode of the How To Quit Working show with Nick Loper. I think it’s so interesting to hear people’s various journeys and how they have quit working and how do they get from being in their full time job to transitioning out. Nick got really serious about figuring out how much money did he need and what did he need to feel comfortable to finally leave that full time job? And then he set a goal to get there and then he just did what he had to do to get there with a lot of, as he calls it, hustling on the side or side hustling.
So go over to sidehustlenation.com and check out Nick. Also check out the blog article that we’ll link to here as well as The Go-Giver book that was very inspirational and helped Nick to really shape where he wants to go with his business and his life.
And if you enjoyed this and you want to learn more about the techniques that Nick and all my guests used to quit working and do something that they’re passionate about every single day, go over to howtoquitworking.com/book and pick up your copy of How To Quit Working. It comes for a limited time with 150 bucks worth of bonuses. Again, that’s howtoquitworking.com/book. Go grab your copy and I look forward to talking to you next week on the How To Quit Working show. Until then.